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math sucks
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depends on which kind of math.
Yes, Calculus sucks.
I think it all sucks, Christina. Math...*shudders* I'm so glad I didn't ask for my exam grade. I bet I got the 70...at least it's not failing! :D
And I'm so proud of Jess for getting her 94!
amen
Nice for you, Jake. You deride something simply because you don't fully understand it. History of mankind, eh?
I'm guessing, in fact, that this post is directly related to your exam grade.
Criticise math all you want, it only reflects badly on you, not on math. Especially when your only arguments against it are not arguments at all; they are simply statements which you can't back up ("Math sucks!"). Calculus is not hard. In fact, it requires little thinking to be good at. They give you a set of rules, and all you have to do is apply them. What is so difficult about that? Real mathematics is a lot more complicated.
I'm tired of defending the integrity of mathematics against the mass of people who can't understand it, and therefore criticise it, and go so far as to question it's 'usefulness' as if anything humans did was really 'useful'. If you don't understand math, then so be it. I myself don't understand a lot things. For instance, a lot of physics. Do I say physics sucks? No (though I have a feeling you will be if you get a bad grade on your exam next year).
totally agree. i hate math. it ruins my life.
1. the post was made BEFORE the exam
2. I never commented on the usefulness of math. i just said it sucks. not that it wasnt useful in real life.
3. my comment was a comment on how much i enjoy math. i dislike it. its not fun for me. it was an opinion. you have no right to criticize my opinion
You didn't say you didn't enjoy math. But good try. What you said was that math sucks. That is a statement directly against math, not on how much you enjoy it.
And you're completely wrong. I have all the right in the world to criticise your opinion, especially when its so fucked up as yours happens to almost always be on just about everything in life.
Well, I must agree wholeheartedly. With Kevin.
The post was made before the exam, but I do believe that it was made in anticipation of the exam (and thereby the grade of the exam).
If it is useful in real life, why would you say it sucks? That really is quite a dumb thing to say. Think about it.
Kevin also has every right to criticize your opinion, especially if you express it in a public forum. Just as you have a right to criticize ours (in a way, saying 'math sucks' is criticizing those of us who quite enjoy math). And that wasn't an expression of how much you enjoy math. That would be "I don't enjoy math," nor did you attempt to express an opinion--that would be "I think..." Rather, you spoke of it as an absolute, not bothering to clarify. Which just further ruins your post, as you say this absolute, while also saying it doesn't apply to four people...
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kevin didnt criticize my opinion
he put words in my mouth and criticized that and i'm sick of kevin and colin acting as if they are somehow superior to anyone else.
news flash.
youre not
Would you two just shut the fuck up for once? Everytime someone makes ANY type of statement on here, you have to go and shove your self-righteous opinions down his or her throat. It's ridiculous. Your opinions ARE appreciated. However, it is NOT necessary to attack someone each and every time a post is made. Furthermore, just because you have an opinion, does not mean that it is the complete and utter gospel.
From the start this blog has had a negative feel because all Colin would do was bitch about Mr. Smith. It really is no wonder this place is dead--you have to belittle everyone who even says one thing contrary to your own beliefs.
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Lauren, this blog is obviously not dead. And no fucking no I won't fucking shut the fuck up.
If you think I act superior, that's your problem for interpretting it that way. Not mine. Just as Jake has the right to express his opinion in public, I have the right to express mine, which is that he is wrong.
And maybe I was attacking Jake, but I'd like to think I was simply attacking his opinion. Either way it goes, I'm not going to pussyfoot around his feelings. When he's wrong, he's wrong. And that happens a lot. I respect your opinions, Lauren, though you express them very infrequently, but when you take Jake's side (which I realize you didn't explicitly do, however, you did tell Colin and me to shut the fuck up, whereas it was Jake who brought the subject up in the first place, knowing full well that it would bring on an argument), it reflects badly on you.
Now, if you don't like the 'negative feel' of this blog, you are welcome not to read it, nor do you have to respond to this very comment, which I expect you won't. Some opinions are negative and some are positive, but the fact that some are positive doesn't them any more true or important than the negative ones. Colin happened to think Mr. Smith was a bad teacher, you obviously didn't, but he didn't call you out and tell you to stop expressing your opinion on him, did he?
Okay, thank you.
no actually kevin, it was brought up with then note that the comment was not directed at you.
second of all. it is youre problem that you think you are superior to everyone else. its not mine. its yours
deal with it
I must agree with Kevin. Again.
Jake, if Kevin didn't criticize your opinion, why did you earlier tell him that he has no right to criticize your opinion? I'm sure you have a reason, and I'm fairly certain that at the time of writing that comment, you felt he was criticizing your opinion. Except now you have contradicted yourself. It makes no sense, really. Do you have a coherent argument, or do you just make it up as you go along?
Kevin and I do not act as though we are superior; we act as we do, and you perceive it as us acting superior. That is a fault of yours, not ours.
Lauren, I must ask, who are you asking to shut up? This is a public forum, in which people are free to express their opinions...doesn't make much sense to ask people to shut up.
Kevin and I don't attack somebody once a post is made; we may attack their premises and their reasoning (or lack thereof), but this is only on the ones that stand to be attacked. For instance, we didn't attack Christina's post.
We have not called it gospel. However, we believe in our opinions strongly enough to argue them. I see this as a virtue; to ask us to think less of opinions is just silly. It's freedom of speech.
I'd hardly say it's dead, and there has never been a permanent negative feel. At least, I don't think so. There were periods in which it became negative, but I hardly think it has been so since its creation.
Again, I don't feel as though we are belittling anyone. We question the assumption and premises; this isn't belittlement, this is a logical argument. And considering how strongly I believe in my beliefs, I will argue, even the slightest thing, for not doing so implies that I'm ok with it.
And Jake is wrong...remember, he stated it as a fact, not as an opinion; objectively, it's hardly fair to say that math 'sucks.'
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Now, Anne Marie, is the time for 'amen'.
Nicely put, Colin. I congratulate you on your superiority and I will strive to exhort mine upon these inferiors who dare to stand beside us.
How was that, Lauren? Jake? Was that open enough for you? I don't try to act as though I'm superior, although it seems that anything I say you're going to interpret it as if it was the second paragraph of this comment.
And Jake, if I'm not superior to you, tell me in exactly what areas I'm not. Please, just give me a few. Is it in academics? Sports? Personality? Motivation? Intelligence? What is it?
nobody is superior to anyone else
except Jesus. no one else
and yes 'When he's wrong, he's wrong. And that happens a lot.'
is attacking me, not my opinion. and you can't say an opinion is wrong. you can disagree. but it cant be wrong
I do like math, and I don't think it sucks, but I don't really like calculus class, just because I don't like memorizing formulas. Having said that, there's nothing wrong with calculus, I'm sure it's very interesting, I just couldn't be bothered to study or pay attention in class, or do the homework before the morning bus ride, although I do mean to change that. I really prefer the "logic" kind of math, like the VML problems, ones where you don't have to really know anything. Not that I'm all that good at those either anymore, I haven't seriously done that kind of thing for months, I've noticed that lately I’ve really struggled with the kind of problems I used to have no trouble with...
Enough about that, back to what I was going to say; while I don't agree with the statement that "math sucks" (this post wasn’t for me) and I do think that more people should like math, there was not a good reason for attacking Jake like that, and being so arrogant about it. And yes, you were obviously intending to act superior in all of your comments. Saying that you don't act superior, that it's someone else's problem for seeing it that way, is a terrible argument.
Yes Jake. Because obviously I am just as good as, say, Kobe Bryant at basketball, seeing as no one is superior to others.
In case you couldn't tell, that was meant sarcastically. That comment of yours is just wrong. People are superior, in different facets of life. You haven't figured that out yet? You're a bit behind the curve, there...
That may be a bit of an attack, though it is, honestly, more of an attack on the opinions that you express, which he feels are wrong. And, factually, you are wrong a lot. Most people are...another fact of life. Also, why do you bring this up? You accused him of attacking (or implied the accusation) you before he made the comment in which that quote was made. Surely you wouldn't have thought such before he would've done such...that'd just be too illogical, even for you.
Opinions can be wrong, we just find it terribly impolite to say so. Either way, you expressed your opinion as a fact, and 'facts' can certainly be wrong.
John, you're wrong...if it's in a public forum, the post is for everyone. The author may have an attended audience, but if it is available for everyone, one must be prepared for all to read and react. Really. That's just logical.
We were obviously trying to seem superior? Fascinating that this is obvious, as we weren't, save Kevin's second paragraph on his most recent comment. We are just confident in our beliefs and willing to argue them. And it isn't a terrible argument; no one but oneself can be 'blamed' for how oneself perceives things.
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maybe if i were the only one who believed that you guys act superior to the rest of your peers then you would have an argument. but i'm not. stop talking down to people. you have no right to do so. its an extremely jackass like thing to do. if i were that kind of person i certainly could talk down to both of you. but i dont. because i'm not a jackass
You made your comments, you know what you believe. Jake, Kevin and Colin, you've made your point. However I must agree with Kevin and Colin, my only problem with the two of you, after you've made said point; why is it not enough to know you are right?
Dannielle is right.
You all have taken it too far.
I've decided to refrain from aguring this point any more. This is because of John's last post. I still respect John and if he is willing to argue the other side, I will at least not argue back, lest it be falsely interpretted as me attacking John himself. If John would like to discuss this further, he can ask me in school, or IM me.
On a different topic: Dannielle, why is it not enough to know we're right? Because we'd like everyone else to know we're right too. If we thought we were so superior to everyone else, we wouldn't bother expressing our opinions. We would simply sit there, smug in our own knowledge, laughing at other's ingnorance. We do not do this. We express our opinions in the hope that others may adopt them as their own. Is that arrogant? In a sense, it could be, but I think everyone has the hope that his opinion will be accepted by others.
its arrogant to believe that youre opinions are better than anyone elses and that anyone else SHOULD adopt them
i'm not gonna agree with anyone. except myself. the post started out as a simple frustrated phrase. i think we all understood jake to mean that he really doesn't enjoy math.
and yes kevin. i dislike it because i don't understand it. that's the truth. and i don't care.
Okay, Jake, your opinion is wrong. But that's fine, not everyone can be beaten wih logic. You're one of those people. If you refuse to accept reason, you're a lost cause. Have a good life.
And merry Christmas.
Jake, I have to ask: do you ever actually argue the merits of the case? It seems to me that you have attacked myself and Kevin moreso than we have attacked you. Though I'm sure you feel the victim.
Is it truly arrogant to believe that one's beliefs are correct, whilst others' are not? Really? Do you not believe your beliefs, opinions, are better than others? No? Yet again and again you feel the need to attack Kevin and myself. Because we feel that our beliefs are superior? No; because you feel that your belief that 'no one's' belief is superior to any others is superior to ours that one can be superior. Really, it's quite hypocritical.
Dannielle, when you ask that question...
Consider how strongly we believe in...our beliefs. To not argue them, not past our first statement, is to imply that we do not care enough to do so. The exact opposite is true; we care to such a degree that we must keep arguing. It is, in part, to attempt to see others to see our side, but it is also that, by our standards, we cannot just let it pass. It must be argued; it demands to be argued. One cannot do it justice if one does not argue.
Have we really taken it too far? We are simply trying to argue the merits of our side in a debate. I don't think that qualifies as taking it too far; a good debate can go on for a considerable amount of time, if both sides argue the merits passionately. Unfortunately, that is what we are missing.
Kevin brings up another good point. Why is it so many have turned their back on logic and reason? Argue your side, but do so with logic and reason, if it is so possible. If not, then what can be your platform? Whims and wishes? Those will get you nowhere.
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Consider this example, Jake:
Charlie is 20 years old. He is recently married, and in college. He grew up as a Christian and believes firmly that Jesus came to Earth and died in order to save the human race.
Anna is a girl raised by liberal parents. She is a strict atheist, and cannot bring herself to believe that Jesus was divine, or that God even exists.
Charlie's opinion is that God exists; Anna's is that he doesn't. Who is right? Who is wrong?
Obviously, one of them is right. God cannot both exist and not exist. He either does or he doesn't. Which means that one of their opinions is wrong. But by your argument (statement, I should say-- the term 'argument' implies that you have some sort of basis) neither opinion is right, and neither is wrong.
So do you mean to say that God both exists and doesn't exist?
i give up
you cant argue with someone who lacks reason and respect for others
You're right, Jake. We can't argue with someone who lacks reason; we should've stopped arguing with you long ago.
How do you justify saying that we use neither reason--we've actually presented cohesive arguments--nor respect--we respect you enough to consider your comments worth debating over? Really, I'm quite offended by your lack of reasoning in your 'arguing' and, now, in your giving up, before you've begun.
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no colin you're not debating with him. you're debating at him and i really don't get the impression that you would care if it wasn't jake. because anyone else would have ignored you. i know i would have because i know what your point is and i know what your reasoning is but i still think math sucks. it's probably wrong for me to think that
My apologies--I'm attempting to debate with him; that is what I meant to say.
I would care. It may not have gone on this long, but then again, somebody else may have presented some logic. What is said is what is said; it means little who says it.
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